Comments on: Lum and Abner - Two previously lost shows http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/ A weblog and podcast featuring vintage broadcasts directly transferred from original transcriptions. Mon, 20 May 2013 15:47:37 +0000 http://podbean.com/?v=3.2 by: radioman http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-473201 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:54:36 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-473201 radio spirits is run by a bunch of greedy morons.the average person will never want old radio shows at all. so why bother trying to be the pain in the ass they have always been. post them screw them all.the orignal owners of the shows are dead now they made these shows to be heard!they should be happy some ppl even want the shows at all. if i had something id post it screw em. radio spirits is run by a bunch of greedy morons.the average person will never want old radio shows at all. so why bother trying to be the pain in the ass they have always been. post them screw them all.the orignal owners of the shows are dead now they made these shows to be heard!they should be happy some ppl even want the shows at all. if i had something id post it screw em.

]]> by: Jimbo http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-472015 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:48:57 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-472015 Pfft on Radio Spirits. Who wants to pay for OTR when they can get it free? They don't own the right to Lum and Abner's work 75 years ago. Pfft on Radio Spirits. Who wants to pay for OTR when they can get it free? They don’t own the right to Lum and Abner’s work 75 years ago.

]]> by: George Wagner http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-416999 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:39:50 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-416999 But WILL those attorneys be anywhere nearly so protective of those 2009 promos in 2080 AD? THAT'S what we're talking about! But WILL those attorneys be anywhere nearly so protective of those 2009 promos in 2080 AD? THAT’S what we’re talking about!

]]> by: Tom http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-415218 Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:49:52 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-415218 Hi George, What you say may very well be correct, except using the government as an example that is (the government follows laws that are strictly unto themselves). The question is does the charities and/or Lum & Abner own the rights? The NFL is a big sponsor of United Way Charities. I guarantee you their attorney's (NFL) would be all over you if you did anything with those promos used for fund drives. Hi George,

What you say may very well be correct, except using the government as an example that is (the government follows laws that are strictly unto themselves).

The question is does the charities and/or Lum & Abner own the rights? The NFL is a big sponsor of United Way Charities. I guarantee you their attorney’s (NFL) would be all over you if you did anything with those promos used for fund drives.

]]> by: Mark http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-415108 Sun, 05 Sep 2010 22:59:09 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-415108 I want you all to know, if I ever come across these shows and buy them I won't hesitate to upload them :D I want you all to know, if I ever come across these shows and buy them I won’t hesitate to upload them :D

]]> by: Tom W http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-415078 Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:20:55 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-415078 I respect your decision to not post the shows. It helps that I'm not a fan of Lum and Abner :) I visit your site every week and enjoy your postings. Didja know that Lou Crosby was the father of actress Cathie Lee Crosby? I respect your decision to not post the shows. It helps that I’m not a fan of Lum and Abner :)

I visit your site every week and enjoy your postings.

Didja know that Lou Crosby was the father of actress Cathie Lee Crosby?

]]> by: George Wagner http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-414871 Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:39:44 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-414871 But, Tom, the question is whether semi-public productions of the type produced by the TB Association and the March of Dimes were copyrighted in the first place. Just because a production contains copyrighted characters does NOT make that production copyrighted! For just one example military training cartoons starring Donald Duck and Bugs Bunny belong to the TAXPAYERS who PAID for them. ' But, Tom, the question is whether semi-public productions of the type produced by the TB Association and the March of Dimes were copyrighted in the first place.

Just because a production contains copyrighted characters does NOT make that production copyrighted!

For just one example military training cartoons starring Donald Duck and Bugs Bunny belong to the TAXPAYERS who PAID for them. ‘

]]> by: Tom http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-414517 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:27:58 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-414517 Hi, I really enjoy your blog. I find it to be a little touch of Christmas every week. Don't let the negative posters here affect your decision. I laud your respect for the property rights of others. The one thing the Internet has bred is a generation of people who think nothing of trampling the rights of copyright holders. Keep up the great work. Hi, I really enjoy your blog. I find it to be a little touch of Christmas every week.

Don’t let the negative posters here affect your decision. I laud your respect for the property rights of others. The one thing the Internet has bred is a generation of people who think nothing of trampling the rights of copyright holders.

Keep up the great work.

]]> by: Gerry http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-414381 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:18:58 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-414381 Lame post - if you have 'em post 'em - bragging about 'em doesn't make you look any less of a coward for bowing before a letter that doesn't even exist. Lame post - if you have ‘em post ‘em - bragging about ‘em doesn’t make you look any less of a coward for bowing before a letter that doesn’t even exist.

]]> by: Howard Cusan http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-413840 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 05:39:48 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-413840 If you can't/won't share these then why tell us about it. It's just a big tease. You have it and we don't are you going to give up your copy and erase any copies you have made. I'm sure there is a small circle of your close friends that probably have a copy. Don't get me wrong I love your site,and wish the best for it,I'm just bummed out that I can't enjoy this. My goodness its over 70 years old,if this goes on,can you imagine your whole collection of disks being confiscated because of foolish copyright laws,bottom line it's all about greed and how much a person/company benefit from this and make a profit. I wish you would offer them through pm email,snail-mail,etc. I'm disabled and stay home most of the time,if it wasn't for otr hobby I would most likely have relapsed from drugs years ago. Please do not be offended with this note,just see it from my shoes. Thanks Howie If you can’t/won’t share these then why tell us about it. It’s just a big tease. You have it and we don’t are you going to give up your copy and erase any copies you have made. I’m sure there is a small circle of your close friends that probably have a copy. Don’t get me wrong I love your site,and wish the best for it,I’m just bummed out that I can’t enjoy this. My goodness its over 70 years old,if this goes on,can you imagine your whole collection of disks being confiscated because of foolish copyright laws,bottom line it’s all about greed and how much a person/company benefit from this and make a profit. I wish you would offer them through pm email,snail-mail,etc. I’m disabled and stay home most of the time,if it wasn’t for otr hobby I would most likely have relapsed from drugs years ago. Please do not be offended with this note,just see it from my shoes. Thanks Howie

]]> by: Bill Smith http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-413693 Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:47:03 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-413693 I stumbled across this & thought I'd add my 1 & 3/5th cents. Let me give you a scenario I went through with a posting I made that corralates with this situation. I'm a ventriloquist using a puppet I made myself. This puppet is the same KIND of puppet that the late great Senor Wences, the spanish ventriloquist from the Ed Sullivan show used. A wig with eyes, on top of my hand, & a doll's body underneath. Now mind you, this puppet, other than being made the same WAY, looks NOTHING like Senor Wences' puppet, sounds nothing like it, I use NONE of Wences' material in my act, etc. I posted a clip on youtube, & got a cease & desist order from a lawyer, who represents a "lady" that CLAIMS to have the rights to Wences' act, via HIM! I know Wences' granddaughter, & she says this is BS!! ANYWAY, the point i'm making is, it sounds like you already basically recieved a cease & desist of sorts when they notified you previously, so, just fair warning, don't press your luck unless you have the stomache & money to fight it. BUT, if they don't have these shows, & you work with them to put them on cd or whatever, make DAMN sure you have a contract from them which will guarentee you being paid a fee for each sale, download, or whatever. Being a songwriter also, this is common practice. you may not own the rights to the material on the discs, but you DO own the discs, & since they want to give you an attitude, give them one right back!! Just make sure if you do buisness with them, that you have the contract read over by a proper entertainment lawyer, to make sure you don't get shafted. Just my humble opinion. Good luck. I stumbled across this & thought I’d add my 1 & 3/5th cents. Let me give you a scenario I went through with a posting I made that corralates with this situation. I’m a ventriloquist using a puppet I made myself. This puppet is the same KIND of puppet that the late great Senor Wences, the spanish ventriloquist from the Ed Sullivan show used. A wig with eyes, on top of my hand, & a doll’s body underneath. Now mind you, this puppet, other than being made the same WAY, looks NOTHING like Senor Wences’ puppet, sounds nothing like it, I use NONE of Wences’ material in my act, etc. I posted a clip on youtube, & got a cease & desist order from a lawyer, who represents a “lady” that CLAIMS to have the rights to Wences’ act, via HIM! I know Wences’ granddaughter, & she says this is BS!! ANYWAY, the point i’m making is, it sounds like you already basically recieved a cease & desist of sorts when they notified you previously, so, just fair warning, don’t press your luck unless you have the stomache & money to fight it. BUT, if they don’t have these shows, & you work with them to put them on cd or whatever, make DAMN sure you have a contract from them which will guarentee you being paid a fee for each sale, download, or whatever. Being a songwriter also, this is common practice. you may not own the rights to the material on the discs, but you DO own the discs, & since they want to give you an attitude, give them one right back!! Just make sure if you do buisness with them, that you have the contract read over by a proper entertainment lawyer, to make sure you don’t get shafted. Just my humble opinion. Good luck.

]]> by: DontAskSam http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-413057 Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:47:49 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-413057 I agree with Mr. White, on both sides of the issue. Property rights should be scrupulously respected. To do so otherwise is plain and simple theft and should not be tolerated in the OTR community. However, it is sad that the issue of copyrighted material is such a murky subject. There seems to be a lack of clarity in discerning whether material is protected, and it is certainly disheartening when even just the threat of legal action (whether enforceable or not) is the basis for removing files. If clear proof of ownership exists, then so be it. But false claims intending to intimidate those whose intentions are merely to share something they love with folks who are not looking for financial gain ... that is reprehensible, and should be protested vigorously. btw ... Mr. Rand: http://cgi.ebay.com/16-TRANSCRIPTION-CHRISTMAS-PAYS-IGNORANT-/350389154644?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5194d23354 found this on eBay. you had posted a show from this series sometime ago, and I thought you might be interested. I visit your site every week, and always enjoy the discs. I applaud your efforts to bring these pieces of history to us. Three cheers! I agree with Mr. White, on both sides of the issue. Property rights should be scrupulously respected. To do so otherwise is plain and simple theft and should not be tolerated in the OTR community. However, it is sad that the issue of copyrighted material is such a murky subject. There seems to be a lack of clarity in discerning whether material is protected, and it is certainly disheartening when even just the threat of legal action (whether enforceable or not) is the basis for removing files. If clear proof of ownership exists, then so be it. But false claims intending to intimidate those whose intentions are merely to share something they love with folks who are not looking for financial gain … that is reprehensible, and should be protested vigorously.

btw … Mr. Rand:

http://cgi.ebay.com/16-TRANSCRIPTION-CHRISTMAS-PAYS-IGNORANT-/350389154644?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5194d23354

found this on eBay. you had posted a show from this series sometime ago, and I thought you might be interested. I visit your site every week, and always enjoy the discs. I applaud your efforts to bring these pieces of history to us. Three cheers!

]]> by: John Fox http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-412770 Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:55:52 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-412770 Randy - You are a such tool. Why don't you just post them on another server anonymously such as mediafire and post the links here. Randy - You are a such tool. Why don’t you just post them on another server anonymously such as mediafire and post the links here.

]]> by: Dave White http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-412303 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:26:08 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-412303 Randy, as an OTR fan, I'm disappointed about not being able to hear these shows. However, as one whose income derives from creating intellectual property (as a writer and web designer) I applaud your meticulous approach to protecting against infringement. [OTR fan mode ON] The onus has historically been on the rights owner to prove ownership if it is claimed. So, in my opinion (which is worth less than zero since I am emphatically NOT a legal expert) it would be Radio Spirits, not you, who would have to produce documentation. [OTR fan mode OFF] The OTR fan side of me says, "Aw, go on and do it" but the starving artist side says, "Good on you!" Randy, as an OTR fan, I’m disappointed about not being able to hear these shows. However, as one whose income derives from creating intellectual property (as a writer and web designer) I applaud your meticulous approach to protecting against infringement.

[OTR fan mode ON] The onus has historically been on the rights owner to prove ownership if it is claimed. So, in my opinion (which is worth less than zero since I am emphatically NOT a legal expert) it would be Radio Spirits, not you, who would have to produce documentation. [OTR fan mode OFF]

The OTR fan side of me says, “Aw, go on and do it” but the starving artist side says, “Good on you!”

]]> by: George Wagner http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-412261 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:42:22 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-412261 These programs would almost certainly have been copyrighted to the TB Association and the March of Dimes rather than to Lum & Abner. And that's only if the programs were copyrighted in the FIRST place. If not, they've been Public Domain from the start. Personally, I'd post 'em. These programs would almost certainly have been copyrighted to the TB Association and the March of Dimes rather than to Lum & Abner.

And that’s only if the programs were copyrighted in the FIRST place. If not, they’ve been Public Domain from the start.

Personally, I’d post ‘em.

]]> by: Jim http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-411782 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:12:35 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-411782 I understand your decision and I'm glad you are making an archive copy of these shows for a time when they can be made available. Its unfortunate when any Golden age radio programming can still come under enforced copyright restriction, but its good to know that more programming exists and won't be lost. Take care I understand your decision and I’m glad you are making an archive copy of these shows for a time when they can be made available. Its unfortunate when any Golden age radio programming can still come under enforced copyright restriction, but its good to know that more programming exists and won’t be lost.

Take care

]]> by: jacks archive storage http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-411401 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:42:17 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-411401 by: Buster http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-411267 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:11:24 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/08/25/lum-and-abner-two-previously-lost-shows/#comment-411267 These shows were given out freely to radio stations to run at will 70 years ago, without artist remuneration. There is no coyright on them. These shows were given out freely to radio stations to run at will 70 years ago, without artist remuneration. There is no coyright on them.

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