Comments on: Bob and Ray Show - circa January 1952 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/ A weblog and podcast featuring vintage broadcasts directly transferred from original transcriptions. Sat, 25 May 2013 05:15:17 +0000 http://podbean.com/?v=3.2 by: Dr. OTR http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435773 Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:56:33 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435773 YJW -- it's good to know there's more mid-50s B&R out there than I had thought. My dad was a huge fan of Bob and Ray in high school -- this would be about 55-58 -- he still tells me about getting together with his best friend to re-enact Wally Ballou interviews and the like. I think I've got only about 7 shows from that era. I guess our definition of "quite a bit" may differ. For the CBS run, 59-60, there must be about 98% of their daily broadcasts surviving from the first six months. B&R ran daily for much of the mid-50s, plus many brief Monitor sketches -- say, 250 shows a year, times six years, for about 1500 broadcasts (and that's probably conservative). "A few dozen" is less than 2% of their broadcasts from that period. I'm happy we have at least that much! But it can hardly be termed a significant fraction of their output. YJW — it’s good to know there’s more mid-50s B&R out there than I had thought. My dad was a huge fan of Bob and Ray in high school — this would be about 55-58 — he still tells me about getting together with his best friend to re-enact Wally Ballou interviews and the like. I think I’ve got only about 7 shows from that era. I guess our definition of “quite a bit” may differ. For the CBS run, 59-60, there must be about 98% of their daily broadcasts surviving from the first six months. B&R ran daily for much of the mid-50s, plus many brief Monitor sketches — say, 250 shows a year, times six years, for about 1500 broadcasts (and that’s probably conservative). “A few dozen” is less than 2% of their broadcasts from that period. I’m happy we have at least that much! But it can hardly be termed a significant fraction of their output.

]]> by: ykw http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435222 Sun, 24 Oct 2010 06:34:17 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435222 "There is so little available between the end of their run in Boston in mid-1951, and the start of their CBS show in 1959." There is actually quite a bit of B&R material from that period trading. Several dozen NBC shows circulate in AFRS versions. There are also some AFRS-only original shows from that era still extant. These programs sometimes surface in the OTR and comedy binary groups. “There is so little available between the end of their run in Boston in mid-1951, and the start of their CBS show in 1959.”

There is actually quite a bit of B&R material from that period trading. Several dozen NBC shows circulate in AFRS versions. There are also some AFRS-only original shows from that era still extant. These programs sometimes surface in the OTR and comedy binary groups.

]]> by: randsesotericotr http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435121 Sat, 23 Oct 2010 21:03:42 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435121 My dating was based on a couple of things. The year came from Goldin, which lists their NBC series in that year. They mention the Kefauver hearings, which ran from 1950 to 51. The January date would be from the mentions of New Year's and the business about after Christmas. You're probably right, however - it's probably January 52, since the Goldin listings are for NBC shows from Aug 51. My dating was based on a couple of things. The year came from Goldin, which lists their NBC series in that year. They mention the Kefauver hearings, which ran from 1950 to 51. The January date would be from the mentions of New Year’s and the business about after Christmas.

You’re probably right, however - it’s probably January 52, since the Goldin listings are for NBC shows from Aug 51.

]]> by: Dr. OTR http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435117 Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:52:28 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435117 Awesome! I'm not a B&R expert, just a devoted fan, and I certainly hadn't heard this one before. There is so little available between the end of their run in Boston in mid-1951, and the start of their CBS show in 1959. That's basically 8 years -- very busy years, from what I gather -- when we have only a handful of shows. Is this one of them? It sounds like it. But I'm dubious about the 1951 dating. According Hickerson's guide, Bob and Ray were still doing "Matinee with Bob and Ray" in Boston up through June 30, 1951. So if this really is a NBC program, it would have to be Jan 52 or later. (And it doesn't sound like a "Matinee" program, not the ones I've heard. And weren't they all 30 minutes?) What is the internal evidence you used? There are a number of OTR impressions within the show. Were you using their impression of Bill Goodwin saying "Here's George and Gracie"? That would make sense, because Burns and Allen left radio in 1950 -- but it's not really hard evidence, since people would surely remember his introduction six months or so later, if this is early 52. Regardless of exactly when this program aired -- it's great to have it! I only wish you could uncover more! Awesome! I’m not a B&R expert, just a devoted fan, and I certainly hadn’t heard this one before. There is so little available between the end of their run in Boston in mid-1951, and the start of their CBS show in 1959. That’s basically 8 years — very busy years, from what I gather — when we have only a handful of shows. Is this one of them? It sounds like it. But I’m dubious about the 1951 dating. According Hickerson’s guide, Bob and Ray were still doing “Matinee with Bob and Ray” in Boston up through June 30, 1951. So if this really is a NBC program, it would have to be Jan 52 or later. (And it doesn’t sound like a “Matinee” program, not the ones I’ve heard. And weren’t they all 30 minutes?)

What is the internal evidence you used? There are a number of OTR impressions within the show. Were you using their impression of Bill Goodwin saying “Here’s George and Gracie”? That would make sense, because Burns and Allen left radio in 1950 — but it’s not really hard evidence, since people would surely remember his introduction six months or so later, if this is early 52.

Regardless of exactly when this program aired — it’s great to have it! I only wish you could uncover more!

]]> by: Pennywhistler http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435028 Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:20:31 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435028 Whoops! I mean: Saints preserve us! Whoops! I mean:

Saints preserve us!

]]> by: Pennywhistler http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435026 Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:19:30 +0000 http://randsesotericotr.podbean.com/2010/10/21/bob-and-ray-show-circa-january-1952/#comment-435026 Saint's preserve us! Saint’s preserve us!

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